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<description>It&apos;s an odd thing that if one takes the time to post their thoughts on the internet, folks who visit the page often assume you&apos;re some sort of an authority. If you can manage to make your post sound clever, you may eventually find yourself on the syllabi for various courses at institutions of higher learning (try searching google for this: &quot;link:http://www.synaptic.bc.ca/ejournal/foucault.htm&quot;).

I get a fair bit of mail querying on one subject or another I&apos;ve covered in a page, whether mentioned in passing or I&apos;ve taken a more diligent shot at the subject. For example:
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From: &quot;Kirk&quot; 
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 1997 11:36 AM
Subject: Help

I am attending a course (Supervisory Leadership Institute) for peace
officers in California.  One of the books they are having us read is Zen
and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.  I am on Chapter 7 and I am
having difficulty getting connected with this book.  I have never taken
any classes in Philosophy and I have a feeling that that is affecting my
ability to connect on the meaning of the book.  Can you help me out.  In
the book he refers to Chautauqua as an old time traveling circus.
Through out the first few chapters of the book he uses this to relate to
something.  Can you provide any insight on what this means and what it
is that he is trying to get across to his readers...

Thank you, I look forward to hearing from you.....

Kirk



From: &quot;patrick jennings&quot; 
To: &quot;Kirk&quot;
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 1997 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: Help


Hi Kirk,

A Chautauqua was not a circus but a travelling discussion group.  Sort of
like talk radio in person. I suppose they often broke down into what
could be colourfully described as a circus.  They were often religious
in context, though this is not a requirement of a Chautauqua.

However, as in Robert Pirsig&apos;s Zen..., these discussion groups often devolved into
more of a lecture--one guy on a soapbox.  That is, by calling it a
Chautauqua Pirsig attempts to characterize what he&apos;s doing in the book as
a friendly discussion, but in fact it&apos;s a book and therefore a
monologue.  The reader can&apos;t participate in the development of the
discussion which is what a Chautauqua is supposed to be doing.

It does set a nice, friendly tone for the book though.

good luck,

Patrick.



From: &quot;Kirk&quot; 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 1997 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: Help


I am almost done with this book and I feel lost.  I am reading this book for a
supervision and leadership for law enforcement supervisor course.  We are
supposed to talk about how this book relates to leadership.  Can you give me
some insight on how this book relates to leadership.  Thanks



From: &quot;patrick jennings&quot; 
To: &quot;Kirk&quot;
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 1997 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: Help


Hi Kirk,

Don&apos;t get too uptight about Pirsig&apos;s philosophical depth.  It&apos;s not
really all that difficult.  Basically, what the book is about is
Quality.  Let&apos;s use law enforcement as an example.  On the side of
police cruisers is emblazoned the phrase &quot;To Serve and Protect.&quot;  It&apos;s a
nice slogan and, if the police force is up to it, a pretty good
qualitative measure of police performance.  That is, if at the end of
the day a police officer can say he succeeded in serving and protecting
the people in his jurisdiction he can also say he succeeded in meeting
the quality bar.  If all police officers perform similarly then the
police force on the whole meets that qualitative measurement.

Public opinion, currently, isn&apos;t so impressed.  For a multitude of
reasons, the popular perception of the Police in the US suggests a new
slogan:  &quot;To patronize and harass.&quot;  I&apos;m not saying this is a correct
assessment on the part of the citizenry, but the perception persists.

Let&apos;s suppose for a moment that the public is right.  This then would be
another exemplification of Pirsig&apos;s thesis that Quality is not at the
forefront of our mind.  He uses the maintenance of a motorcycle as an
example and notes that all too many mechanics are not careful, are not
thinking when they perform their jobs.  They&apos;re not paying attention to
the quality of their work.  Quality is not important to them and
everything in their life and work suffers for it.  

Many people would say the same for law enforcement.  I&apos;ve met plenty of
decent police officers--such individuals are perhaps in the majority. 
However, on numerous occasions I&apos;ve run across the path of officers
who&apos;ve proven themselves less than decent.  The motivations for their
actions seem not &quot;To Serve and Protect&quot; but rather &quot;To Have and Display
Power&quot;.  It&apos;s unfortunate when this happens because those experiences
stick with people, and in the most extreme cases get enormous play in
the media.

All Pirsig&apos;s really saying is that doing things half-assed has become
something of a way of life in our times.  It&apos;s the &quot;show up and punch
the clock&quot; mentality.  Often we don&apos;t even bother defining a quality bar
for our selves--or our employees--to meet.  Quality did not become Job
#1 at Ford until Japanese car manufacturers&apos; superior cars began
outselling American products.  With a largely captive domestic market,
they&apos;d stopped caring about expending the time, money and *energy* to
make a quality car.

Sometimes we *think* we&apos;re doing the best quality work possible, but
haven&apos;t really thought about whether our measurement criteria have
quality themselves.  An example:  I was recently travelling through an
unfamiliar town and was ticketed for speeding in a school zone.  I
hadn&apos;t seen the school zone sign and was even acceleration to the usual
35mph after passing the quite obvious speed trap.  The officer was of
the exceptionally decent sort and let me know that normally he&apos;d have
let me go with a warning, but &quot;there&apos;ve been quite a few complaints
about vehicle speed during school hours and Town Council doesn&apos;t
consider warnings to be enforcement of the speed zone.&quot;

By most objective standards he was doing Quality work.  However, his
actions do not alter the fact that I sped all the way through the school
zone.  That is, while giving me a ticket met the &quot;To Serve&quot; aspect of
the quality bar, it falls a little short of the &quot;To Protect&quot; aspect. 
That is, how do you make sure people don&apos;t speed through a school zone
in the first place?

The school zone sign is posted about 30 or 40 feet down the horizontal
bar of a &apos;T&apos; intersection.  That&apos;s not an excellent place to put a road
sign--people have only just negotiated the intersection and their focus
may still be narrowed on avoiding altercations with objects on the
road.  I&apos;d just turned left onto the T pulling my 35&apos; travel trailer
which doesn&apos;t even straighten out until I&apos;m 50&apos; past the intersection. 
I&apos;ve got a lot of things on my mind when negotiating narrow roads and
roadside signage does not always register when I&apos;m more worried about
short-cornering a car at the intersection.

Sometimes enforcement falls short of protecting the people.  So, to
raise the quality bar a little bit, the officer (along with his
superiors and Town Council) need to consider the &quot;To Protect&quot; bit a
little more closely.  It&apos;s nearly a useless effort to ticket me and the
other people I suspect just aren&apos;t seeing the posted sign.  You&apos;ve
already failed to protect the children who might be on or near the
roadway when a car naively barrels through at 35mph in a 20mph zone.

In my travels across North America I saw plenty of towns which placed
flashing school zone signs on the centre-line of the roadway.  They are
essentially impossible to ignore or miss.  And I rather believe that
even for those who might see the roadsign postings, flashing yellow
lights and a sign in the middle of the road are perhaps a much stronger
inducement to slow down.  

If, while sitting beside the road waiting for someone to speed through
the school zone so he could ticket them, if the officer also thought
about ways to keep people from speeding through the zone at all then
he&apos;d be fulfilling his mandate.  If he should come up with an idea, and
bring it to his superiors and/or Town Council, then he&apos;s proving that
Quality is central to the performing of his duties.

I think that&apos;s the kind of thing Pirsig&apos;s getting at.  It&apos;s not
sufficient to show up and follow the work plan.  You have to be
constantly evaluating not only your performance but the criteria by
which you measure your performance.  From time to time you have to
sometimes ask, &quot;What does it mean: To Serve and Protect?&quot;  Then, of
course, you have to make adjustments when appropriate.

Applying all this to the question of leadership isn&apos;t too difficult a task. A good police officer will keep an eye to his/her own Quality. Leadership is the act of assuring that Quality is maintained throughout not just the police force, but throughout the community that force is intended to serve and protect.  For example, had that officer who ticketed me for speeding in a school zone taken his concern that the speed limit sign was poorly placed, and followed through until its position was changed, then he would have displayed qualities of leadership.

Hope that helps,

Patrick.


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From: Ben-Tovim/Yeger 
Date: Monday, February 15, 1999 9:09 AM
Subject: giving a lecture


>I really enjoyed your pages
>I'm a drama lecturer at Brunel university and im giving a lecture
discussing
>how documenting live performance process can be/should be  thought of in a
>similar vein as the uncertainty principle. ie the observer of performance
>practice effects the practice itself.
>Your pages have really helped outline some key areas in a very accessible
>language
>so thanks
>ruth Ben-Tovim
>



From: "Patrick Jennings" 
To: "Ben-Tovim/Yeger" 
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 1999 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: giving a lecture

&lt;smile&gt;  Observer, participant, performer, documenter.  Such disparate
relationships to the event.  Each with a different story to report.  Each
with its own limits on perception.  And everyone playing to the 'audience'.
Layer upon layer.  Weave within weave.  That must have been a fascinating
lecture: to prepare, to present and to receive.

Glad I could be of assistance,

Patrick.
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<description><![CDATA[One of the most popular entries on my site is one of those "stranger to a strange gourmand" stories -- that is, the visitor to a foreign country cajoled into trying the local delicacy. The delicacy in this case is lutefisk.

I'll start with an example of the typical response I write to the feedback that page generates. Following that: a sample of the feedback.


From: Patrick

&lt;smile&gt;  Oh, I wish I'd written that piece.  Actually, since that
implies I'd have to have actually *sampled* lutefisk, perhaps it's just
as well to allow Clay Shirky the honour of authorship (and the dubious
distinction of experience).  I've CC'd the unfortunate sot so he'll know
his sacrifice is appreciated.

On the other hand, pickled herring I have some fine experiences with,
even if it has cost me a friendship or two.  Seems not everyone's so
fond of the marvelous stuff.  Go figure.

Cheers,

Patrick.
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Benson, Thomas R., Mr. IMCEN wrote:
> 
> I read your account with equal parts amusement and feelings of ancient
> terror.  My grandmother was a 19th-century Swedish immigrant (from
> Varmland, to be exact), and when I was a child, we still crammed all of
> her 9 children and their families into her house or one of my aunts'
> houses on Christmas Eve for a gift exchange and a table full of Swedish
> food.  We remember the food mostly because of its color, or rather, lack
> thereof:  it was all gray and brown.
> 
> Aside from the pickled herring, or sill, the eating of which remains
> today among my family a right of passage into adulthood and actually
> tastes much better than it looks, the one food I remember not for its
> taste but for its smell is lutefisk.  We wondered as children why anyone
> would ever want to stuff such awful-looking, smelly junk into his mouth,
> and the younger children were terrorized by the older ones who swore
> that before a single present was handed out, everyone, even children,
> would have to eat some lutefisk.  My opinion hasn't changed.
> 
> Even though I haven't seen a plate of the stuff in 35 years, I still can
> remember the smell.  After reading your account, I'm convinced I haven't
> missed a thing.  Thanks.
>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Tom Benson



Bo Leuf wrote:

> ...hahaha...
> (http://www.synaptic.bc.ca/ejournal/lutefisk.htm)
>
> That was an inspired bit of cultural documentary. In Sweden we have
> "lutfisk" as well, a traditional Christmas item, and it is quite true
> that without the potatoes and pepper-gravey, there is precious little
> about it that anyone would want. You didn't _really_ go into any
> great detail about the consistency, which can of course vary somewhat
> depending on various factors, lye and preparation. We don't exactly
> serve it lukewarm, but there is something about the specific heat of
> well-prepared lutfisk which apparently makes it physically impossible
> to retain a temperature in excess of about 30 C outside of the oven.
>
> In northern Sweden, however, we not only celebrate once a year with
> lutfisk, we also have the midsummer tradtion of "surstr?mming" (i.e.
> fermented herring). This is a rare delecacy indeed, and would be
> rarer still if some would have their way, and has one thing that
> lutfisk can never have -- the smell. This fish is prepared in the
> summer, and sealed into tins to ripen (and I use the work advisedly)
> until the following midsummer. A good year is hinted at by the
> swelling of the tin's top and bottom, which also warns you of the
> fact that there may be considerable pressure involved. Never, repeat
> *never* attempt to pack down a tin or two in your luggage before
> flying home; it is doubtful if your insurance will cover the effects
> on your belongings and those of your fellow passengers.
>
> How to describe the smell of surst?mming? Bottled gas, sort of, you
> know, the kind with the added sulphate smell for safety reasons. But
> it goes beyond this with a rare and inspired pungency. There was the
> news story some years ago about the Swedish couple living in Berlin
> who decided to have surstr?mming one day. Worried neighbors called
> the fire department and emergency services about a gas leak. When the
> panic eventually settled, the couple lost the contract to their
> apartment and were told never to return.
>
> They should have known better. Surstr?mming should be partaken of
> only in the great outdoors, in the midsummer evening. There one sees
> in full the potency of nature mixed with culture. The secret of a
> successful surstr?mming party lies in careful preparation: freshly
> boiled potatoes of the season, small and served unpeeled, the special
> white unleavened flat bread baked in stone ovens, real butter, beer,
> and of course, akvavit. The surstr?mming tins are opened far to
> leeward and the "fish" inspected for quality. Usually declared fit
> for consumption, drained, they are then moved to some suitable
> serving platter and taken to the table. The tins and remaining liquid
> contents, and any "unfit" fish, are all left at the opening site and
> there serve the laudable purpose of attracting, stunning and perhaps
> killing off the local flies and mosquitoes, away from the
> festivities.
>
> Surstr?mming is by preference put whole on buttered flatbread and
> eaten, but may also be eaten on a plate with the potatoes and soured
> cream, garnished with chopped fresh chives. In addition, tradition
> allows several variants of pickled herring to be served, rather
> similar though not fully identical to the Christmas offering. Most of
> this selection also serves as the "backup" in case the year's
> surstr?mming should, oh horrors!, prove totally inedible even to the
> most diehard.
>
> Between bites, shots of akvavit are drunk, possibly of the variously
> spiced varieties (including St John's wort), each accompanied by a
> short ditty on the theme of strong drink, and chased by moderate to
> copious amounts of beer of varying strengths. And a good time is had
> by all...
>
> Regards
> / Bo
> --
> Bo Leuf
> The Leuf Project
> http://www.leuf.org/



From: Karen McGann 
Sent: Friday, June 04, 1999 8:47 PM
Subject: Lutefisk


> Wonderful story, I know you're not making it up, only someone who
has
> had it can talk about it so well!!  Being a 1st generation American,
of
> Fin Swede parents, Lutefisk was at our table every Christmas eve.
> Though the tradition was dropped several years ago, I still shudder
when
> I remember the gelatinous mass covered in white sauce and
peppercorns.
> Thanks for the chuckle!  Karen
>



From: Nilsson, Eija 
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 1999 3:56 AM
Subject: Food you eat ?


Hello!
Our family is going to eat LUTFISK today 1999-11-27.
Have you same specially food you eat in Canada , in a
Christmas - time??
Our recept includes a much pepper in white-saus. Whitout
this tastes this fish "nothing".
from Eija Nilsson (Sweden)


[ED: My response to Eija's query: "Mmmm, yes, many things specially around Christmas.  My favourite?
Shortbread cookies - subtly sweet and velvet on the tongue."]


From: BCCCCH@aol.com 
To: LUTEFISK 
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 10:02 AM
Subject: Lutefisk


It's not such a big deal, it's just fish!  My Mom makes it once a year.  It's 
ok, it could be really good if you eat it right.  It must have cooked green 
peas.  I never make it, I just eat it.  Fy bubblan.  Ulrika Langels  (Swedish 
exchange student) 


[ED: And to Ulrika:   Perhaps some day I'll try it.  I am a rather adventurous gourmand.
 
However, I will take Clay Shirky's advice (the author) and be sure to have plenty of Aquavit before the first attempt!]


From: William C. Case 
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 9:44 AM
Subject: lutfisk


Hej!

As an American living (=gone native) in Sweden f?r 30 years, I can tell you
that lutfisk is really not that bad. The description here is a rather more
complicated Norwegian restaurant variation I feel. The ordinary Swedish
lufisk is just served with ordinary white sauce, admittedly a lot of black
peppar, and possibly green peas. No snaps required.

The real Swedish delicacy, from northern Sweden, is surstr?mming. That is,
herring allowed to ferment in a tin can. The smell is wonderfull, like when
the sewage pipes have been stopped up for a week or so. Has to be
experienced, and snaps definitely required.

Otherwise, my previous wife had a great cookbook, "The Princess' Cookbook",
with recipes that start like: "Take 28 swans . . .".  But my favorite was
always: "How to prepare rancid herring." Tells you quite succintly about the
hard times in Sweden in bygone days, doesn't it.

Regards,
William C. Case



From: Bill McFall 
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 11:25 PM
Subject: Tears, etc.


Patrick,

Just finished reading "Lutefisk". Now that I've mopped up the tears from laughing so hard, I'm printing it to take to a weekend Christmas gathering.
We all try to bring some narrative that will entertain the group - ages 14-74. "Lutefisk" should do the trick!

For a similar guffaw, search out Russell Baker's "Francs and Beans". It was originally published in The New York Times on Feb. 18, 1975. It is also available
in Laughing Matters, compiled by Gene Shalit, which is hysterical throughout.

Again, pass along to Clay Shirky: good piece, well written, very funny,

Bill McFall
New Berlin, Wisconsin


My web source was a link from:

http://www.santesson.com/christ/lutfisk.htm 



From: "Robert Wood" 
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 12:41 AM
Subject: lutefisk


> How true... your words of wisdom... ;-)
> Lutefisk is for the stong of mind and meek of taste, but...
> why not try some of our other national dishes next time you come to
> Norway?
> - Grave salmon  (fish tenderized (rotted) for many days in the fridge).
> - Sv?lahode (cooked sheep head (the eyes are sooo delicious).
>
> Merry Christmas
>
> Yours faithfully
> Robert Wood
> (Norwegian by birth)
>


I'll finish this long post with my response to the message above.


From: "Patrick Jennings" 
To: "Robert Wood" 
Cc: "Clay Shirky"
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: lutefisk

Hmmm, suddenly lutefisk is looking somewhat appetizing.

However, you haven't lived until you've tried deep fried scorpion skewers
(beijing), roasted widjitty grub (australia) or baked sheep's lung
(kashgar.)  I saw some barbecued dog's head in Xian, but couldn't quite
bring myself to try it, tempting as it was.  It never amazes me that foods
which sound so bizarre can taste so good (deep fried scorpion!?) while
something so delectably described as Lutefisk creates such acutely foul
responses!

I've CC'd Clay Shirky, author of the Lutefisk bit.  Perhaps there's another
story idea for you Clay?

Cheers,

Patrick.
patrick jennings&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; synaptic :: grey matter media


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From: Benjamin Hart
Sent: Friday, April 30, 1999 6:55 AM
Subject: qi zixingche heng quan zhongguo


&gt; Hi.  I&apos;m planning a cycling trip across China similar to the one you
&gt; completed - only in reverse.  I was just wondering how long the whole trip
&gt; took, and did you pull a cart or just use saddle bags?
&gt;
&gt; Thanks,
&gt; Benjamin Hart
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Hey Benjamin,

I pulled a B.O.B. the whole way.  Since this was the first and (still)
only long-haul cycle tour, I can't offer a comparison between panniers
and trailer.  However, everyone I cycled with envied me.  I didn't
often envy them.

The short answer as to duration is from Beijing to Kashgar:

5597.5 kilometers in precisely 50 days of riding over a period of 95
days.

I took a bus from Yan'an to Xian, and a train from Baoji to Lanzhou.
These days are included in the 95 total.

There was a month and a half hiatus from cycling upon reaching Xian.
This time is not included in the 95 total.

Average speed calculated over the whole trip was just under 14k/hr
(cumulative per day, from saddle-up to end of the day dismount,
including rest stops and meal breaks along the way).  And, as you can
calculate for yourself, I averaged just under 112 k/day.

Caveat:  I picked up a riding partner, a novice cyclist, in Xian who
lasted until we hit the real desert in northern Gansu.  She hadn't
trained, was overweight, and really held us back for the first two
weeks out of Xian (forcing the train ride between Baoji and Lanzhou).
To her credit, she picked up the pace somewhat as the weeks progressed and showed some grit and determination in the face of adversity. However, after we separated at Liuyuan, I added an average of 30 K to every
day's ride.

Conclusion:  your mileage may vary.

I've got a triplog worked out on an Excel spreadsheet which I'd be
glad to provide you with.

An extraordinary trip, no matter how you do it...

Crossing Xinjiang is a lot of desert.  [pix] Were someone to talk me into
repeating the journey, from either direction, I'd probably take the
bus from Kashgar to Kuqa (don't miss the Thursday market there), then
again from Kuqa to Korla.  You won't miss much in the way of towns or
scenery, so if you need to shave any time to complete your tour, this
is the place to do it. To be honest, my perception is coloured by the
fact that dust storms had destroyed the visibility, however, that's
1,000km of gnarly desert, prone to dust storms and relatively level.
Aside from Kuqa and its environs, there's not much to see which isn't
closely approximated in the rest of the journey.  From Korla to
Liuyuan is another 1,000km of significantly more interesting (and
often taxingly mountainous) desert.  And the Hexi Corridor, from
Liuyuan to Wuwei, is another 1,000km of desert interspersed with Oases in increasing frequency.  So, there's plenty of opportunity to ride
desert, even if you skip the first 1,000K.  I love the desert, and
3,000 km of it was a bit too much.

Then again, I could have hopped on a bus or truck at any time (I
certainly had enough offers from the drivers), but by then it was a
matter of "completeness".  I'd promised myself Beijing to Kashgar, had
already been forced to hop an overnight train over several hundred
kilometers of marvelous countryside, and wasn't going to take any
prisoners on this final remaining leg.

Another shade in the spectrum is Kashgar which was the final destination. After Kuqa I could smell it, I was exhausted, I wanted it to be over.
&lt;grin&gt;

Actually, the new rail line between Kashgar and Korla might be running
by the time you get there. [ED: It's complete now. Taking it would likely be preferable to the bus.]

Cheers,

Patrick.
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<description>One travelogue entry in particular, written in 1995 while travelling through Vietnam, generates a fair bit of negative feedback, much of it strongly worded. (See This Just In: United States to become 11th Canadian Province). It&apos;s nice, every now and again, to receive something more constructive in its criticism, and pleasant in its message.
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From: &quot;Alex D&quot; 
To: &quot;Patrick&quot;
Sent: Monday, March 17, 1997 2:11 PM
Subject: draft vs. registeration for the draft


in the entry titled &apos;Hanoi Jane never stayed at the Hanoi Hilton&apos; you mention that 
&apos;...Jimmy Carter re-instituted the draft in response to Soviet aggression in 
Afghanistan ...&apos;

Skipping the technical detail, it is closer to the spirit of the action to say 
Jimmy Carter reinstituted the registeration for the draft.

I have also spent quite a bit of time travelling in Asia, and I have been enjoying 
your entries.  I particularly liked the entry about Khao Sarn road.  It reminded me 
of the endless hours I spent people-watching there.  In fact, I found your pages 
simply by doing an Alta Vista search on &apos;Khao Sarn&apos;, wondering if anyone had 
written about the experience.

My trip to Thailand was in 1990.  Now I am stuck in endless meeting and soon will 
have the title of &apos;VP of Managment Operations&apos; in charge of 60 people.  Wondering 
how long I will last.  I keep telling myself, with the money I&apos;ll save I will be 
able to do all the travelling I want, later...

Keep it up.

Alex


From: &quot;patrick jennings&quot;
To: &quot;Alex D&quot; 
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: draft vs. registeration for the draft


Hey Alex,

&gt; in the entry titled &apos;Hanoi Jane never stayed at the Hanoi Hilton&apos; you mention that
&gt; &apos;...Jimmy Carter re-instituted the draft in response to Soviet aggression in
&gt; Afghanistan ...&apos;
&gt; 
&gt; Skipping the technical detail, it is closer to the spirit of the action to say
&gt; Jimmy Carter reinstituted the registeration for the draft.
&gt; 

You&apos;re right to correct my laziness on that one.  Yours is the better
wording.  Actually, I&apos;m used to being chastized plenty for that page,
though the fault is found elsewhere; the majority of Vietnam vets pass
over that item and thump me for cowardice, aiding and abetting the
enemy, etc.  Your correction is rather refreshing.

Glad to hear you&apos;ve been otherwise pleased with my efforts.  And I can
commiserate with your current condition: I stuck with Microsoft for
three years so I could eventually travel, write and photograph in an
unfettered state.  When you&apos;re ready...you&apos;ll make it happen.

Cheers!

Patrick.
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<description>It was at the end of my first year of travelling, 8 months in Australia followed by 3 months in Thailand, Malaysia, Vietnam and Japan.  I was in Los Angeles, my staging ground for entering North America on the way to Vancouver, spending a week or so in Santa Monica. There was something both comforting and vapid about walking Santa Monica&apos;s 3rd street promenade with its upscale shops and bars, with upscale tourists and locals promenading past street entertainers and the homeless hoping for some of the former&apos;s disposable income. It was rich and beautiful, poor and sad all rolled into a microcosm of the culture I was re-entering. (A couple years later, I would be there again, and while dining on take-out Thai would think of the Genesis song, The Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging). At the hostel, travellers from all around the world sat unblinking in the TV room, watching the day&apos;s popular sit-coms and hardly breaking a grin.

And I was reading Chomsky again. The result was the travelogue entry Land of the . . ., which generates some feedback from time to time...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;<![CDATA[
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerald Karam" 
To: "Patrick"
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 1997 10:20 PM
Subject: Chomsky


> I share your feelings about the difficulties of seeing the world from
> Chomsky's perspective. Nature is disinterested if not downright cruel
> and mankind is a part of nature. Doesn't the old testament say something
> about too much knowledge bringing  much sorrow. I'm resigned to the real
> state of affairs, and I can't figure out where Chomsky gets the optimism
> to passionately fight for something better. Maybe Chomsky and others
> have left me incurably depressed. Knowing that there are sensitive
> people like you lightens the load though. Thanks for your insights. gk
> 
> 

From: "patrick jennings" 
To: "Gerald Karam" 
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 1997 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: Chomsky


Gerald, that was a thoughtful and inspirational piece of mail.  Thanks
so much.

Just yesterday with a new friend driving up to Vancouver in her car we
were talking about the burden of knowledge.  She came up with the
obvious observation of the tree of knowledge, the serpent, and mankind
being cast from the garden of Eden.  A powerful metaphor.

As for Chomsky finding optimism, I can't speak for him.  Perhaps once we
recognize the burden of knowledge it's impossible to flee back to
ignorance.  Caught in our knowledge we have a choice: to do nothing and
let that burden fall on others--perhaps innocents--or to take up
responsibility and act, despite the odds.  For me, looking in the mirror
is much easier after taking the second choice.  The other fork leads to
despair.

Thanks for taking the time to share yourself.

Cheers,

Patrick.


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<title>If you don&apos;t want to pay this cost, don&apos;t start a war.</title>
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<description>In 1995, while in Japan, I spent about 24 hours in Hiroshima, a city of memorials. The most common phrase on the dozens of memorial plaques mounted on various monuments around the city is At 8:15 AM, on August 6, 1945...

I wrote extensively of my experiences there in my travelogue. The following feedback is in response to Pika Don.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;<![CDATA[
----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Duffie Smith 
> To: "feedback" (PIKADORI) 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 6:09 PM
>
>
> The cost of war is high. The cost of war, if lost can be even higher, 
> as the Japanese found out in Aug. of 1945. If you don't want to 
> pay this cost, don't start a war. Clinton needs to remember this too !

From: Patrick Jennings 
To: Duffie Smith 
Sent: Friday, April 16, 1999 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: 


Among the costs of war, whether eventually winner or loser, is the loss of our humanity.

Remember this: the targets had been purposely left free of the conventional bombing that had already levelled Tokyo and many other cities.  The reason?  So when the bomb was dropped, its efficacy could be better studied.  The result?  Tens of thousands of guinea pigs died instantly.  Hundreds of thousands would die over the next several decades.  Thousands more continue to suffer.  Heck of an experiment.

Cheers,

Patrick.

From: Patrick Jennings 
To: Duffie Smith 
Sent: Friday, April 16, 1999 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: 


Oh, meant to add.  Yes, Clinton and all of NATO need to seriously reconsider their policies.

Cheers,

Patrick.


I'm willing to be Duffie hasn't passed his advice on to Bush.

p.

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<title>request for reprint</title>
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From: Black Bear Publications 
To: "eJournal Feedback"
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 3:11 PM
Subject: request for reprint


Patrick Jennings,

I edit a small literary magazine of social concern in the USA.  May I have persmission to use this quote in my next issue.  Thank you for your consideration.

the best and peace,

Ave Jeanne
 
ave jeanne, editor
BLACK BEAR REVIEW
Black Bear Publications, USA
www.BlackBearReview.com 
 
 
"Months later, we still talk as if this is a new world, a new battle, a new war, new enemies. But it is not. The conflict is ageless. All that has changed is the destructiveness of our weapons, and the vulnerability of the innocent. 

But there are the beginnings of change. We are a little more discerning in our labelling of enemies so that entire races and cultures are not targets of retaliation. 

We talk of the enemy's cowardice, for attacking and killing innocents. Yet we drop bombs from the deep blue sky which 'inadvertently' fall on the innocent. We say that in war some civilian casualties are inevitable, and in the same breath say that not one life of an infantryman should be put at risk while there are yet more bombs to drop. 

There remains a long way to go "


The snippet above originally appeared as a preamble on the Critical Texts page soon after I created it in the aftermath of 9-11.  Black Bear Review published it in a slightly altered form in Issue #34 Spring/Summer 2002.

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<title>RE: where will Microsoft be in the next few weeks?</title>
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<description>I&apos;ve lost the original feedback, but you can get the gist of it from my reply.


From: &quot;Patrick Jennings&quot;
To: &quot;A Bearse&quot;
Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 7:46 AM
Subject: RE: where will Microsoft be in the next few weeks?

MSFT has, over the long haul,
annually doubled in value since I began holding it in 1991.  You can
do the math.
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At a company meeting a number of years ago, while I still worked for
Microsoft, the Saturday Night Live comedian Dana Carvey MC'd the
event.  He was interviewing Bill Gates ala a late night talk show
format (think Leno).  --MS company meetings are like that: something
of a media event--  Anyway, having already interviewed Steve Balmer
and the late Mike Maples, Carvey just couldn't get over the fact that
all these guys were billionaires, and that they also happened to be
fasinating people.  He asked Gates:

    So, if I had bought 1,000 shares back in the 80's when they first
came available, what would they be worth now?

Gates hardly batted an eye, shook his head once, before replying,

    No, you'd have sold them too soon.

Cheers,

Patrick.

My memory's a bit sketchy on this, but I believe sometime in January Microsoft hit an all-time high, and put my investment in it about half way to 7 figures. Thereafter it began a year-long slide and by the end of December 2000 I'd defensively sold the last of it, leaving myself enough cash to pay off the next April's tax hit with a small stake to tide me through the next year or two. 

I sometimes think about what might have been if I'd been a bit wiser with my investment. On the other hand, when I left Microsoft on April Fool's Day, 1994, it never occurred to me the run would last the better part of 8 years and bring opportunities to travel extensively through Australia, Asia and America./" target="_blank">" hspace="4" align="right" border="0">Presently listening to:Time Stand Still - Rush - Hold Your Fire (05:08)&keyword=&mode=music">/" target="_blank">&nbsp;]]></description>
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<title>Beautycrat?</title>
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From: "Michael" 
Via: "Contact Form"
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 8:45 PM
Subject: eJournal Contact

COMMENTS: I like your review of Shikasta by Doris Lessing--a visionary work that anticpates the rise of al-Qaeda & global terrorism by 25 years. My enjoyment was undercut somewhat by your repeated misspelling of the word "bureaucrat." NOT beaurocrat! Otherwise, good work.  
 
best 
M


That misspelling (now corrected, thank-you) has been up there for at least a year. The period of time visitors to a site will put up with glaring errors before someone reports it always surprises me.

p.

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<title>Lamed Mufnik (Lamed Vav?)</title>
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The most uplifting and inspiring feedback I've ever received...


From: "Paul Drexler" 
To: "Patrick"
Sent: Friday, January 19, 1996 9:59 AM
Subject: Patrick, where are you from?


Kudos for an elegant, thoughtful and poetic website.  There is a story 
in Jewish mysticism about the Lamed Mufniks - 24 unknown, humble 
righteous men whose existence justifies the world in God's eyes.  There 
may be 24 righteous websites whose existence justifies the internet in 
my eyes.  If so yours is one.

Thanks


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<title>Re: eJournal 4.010 :: Shanghai&apos;d in Shanghai.</title>
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<description>I was near the beginning of a 6-month, 6,000 km cycling tour across China, and beginning to feel comfortable enough about the political/social/cultural landscape and history to make some observations. The result eventually became Shanghai&apos;d in Shanghai, an entry in my travelogue. But first it was posted to my travel mailing list, and a friend responded to it.

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From: "Jim"
To: "Patrick"
Sent: Monday, May 04, 1998 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: eJournal 4.010 :: Shanghai'd in Shanghai.

A couple of thoughts for you. Although Mao wrote a great deal about the
proletariat, he and the elite of the party certainly did NOT live like
them. Al least not after they came to power. Somehow in all communist
nations the party elites were more equal than the masses and lived a much
better life style. That said I also think in many of those countries,
especially Russia, the gap between the top and bottom was considerably
narrowed and the lot of the bottom rung greatly improved. Its just at some
point revolutionary zeal becomes the dogma of the new aristocracy. At that
point maintaining personal privilege and promoting your own family becomes
more important. Somehow the children of high officials seem better suited
to senior office than the masses too. Human nature, wonderful thing eh?

Another thought, although the party is still quite repressive of political
thought and expression, how intrusive is it into the daily lives of the
people in either the cities or the countryside? The numbers of dissidents
that we know about seems pretty small compared to the 1 billion population
of China. I suspect one could argue that compared to many Central or Latin
American 'western' governments, the level of oppression and violence is much
lower per capita. As I think is the case in Cuba where arbitrary executions,
death squads and torture seem to be a pretty low levels. Locking up
dissident voices in very unpleasant places yes, but taking them out at night
and shooting them in the back of the head no. Or beating to death a
Catholic bishop who blows the whistle on human rights abuses. (Last week in
Central America, Guatemala or El Salvador, I firget which)
Of course as they are still communists, they are still the enemy. The old
terrorist vs freedom fighter argument, same acts different lens.

Anyway, enough of my tirade, have fun. - Jim

PS in case you are not getting hockey results, Montreal, Ottawa and Buffalo
upset Pittsburgh, Jersey and Philly in round one, Wash beat Boston,
Detroit beat Phoenix, Dallas beat San Jose and Edmonton-Colorado play game
7 tonight. Baseball started too but as an ex-American resident, i assume
you don't care about it as I don't.


From: "patrick jennings" 
To: "Jim"
Sent: Monday, May 04, 1998 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: eJournal 4.010 :: Shanghai'd in Shanghai.

&lt;grin&gt;  China Daily publishes NHL results, and usually recaps two or
three of the games (though NBA and European Football got the column
space this week.  However, I didn't know the outcome of the Sunday
games.  Gotta love those early round upsets.

Baseball doesn't count until September.  It's not really worth watching
until October.

&lt;smile&gt;  I'm trying to lay off the politics and history--my constituency
has spoken.  I'm saving up for "Mao's Little Red Book" which will be
coming in a couple more weeks.  In any case, your analysis differs very
little from mine, or Orwell's for that matter.

As for intrusiveness, I have been pointedly asked to *not* write about
certain events in personal histories.  Apparently, some members of the
CPC still care what is said by the population, enough that the
population is concerned for reprisals.  Not, as you say, a bullet in the
brain, but unpleasantry nonetheless.  I've also spoken with several
people who were present at Tienanmen in 1989.  Most of them now consider
the demonstration a 'waste of time' and energy.  Politics and struggle
do not interest them.  So, when I am told "Let bygones be bygones" it
means several things: the past is too painful to recall; the past is not
safe to recall; the past proved nothing could be done to alter the
future.

Under these conditions, a bullet is hardly necessary.

I haven't been in South America yet, but I've been all over South-East
Asia.  The living conditions of rural Chinese are quickly being
surpassed by the rural Vietnamese.  That in itself is a strong
statement.

Cheers,

Patrick.



From: "Jim"
To: "Patrick"
Sent: Monday, May 04, 1998 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: eJournal 4.010 :: Shanghai'd in Shanghai.

Ya gotta just love high tech sometimes. Here we are swapping emails within
an hour, me in an office in Vancouver and you on a portable in Beijing!



From: "patrick jennings" 
To: "Jim"
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 1998 3:43 AM
Subject: Re: eJournal 4.010 :: Shanghai'd in Shanghai.

&lt'grin&gt;  Sure beats postcards.

The other Jim and I once debated the relative merits of bell hooks' and
Naomi Wolf's versions of feminism.  I was in Kota Kinabalu, Malaysian
Borneo and he in Vancouver.  We traded about 3 or 4 emails each over the course of the day
(my evening, Jim's day) and a few more over the next couple days.

Kewl.

Patrick.


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From: paul anderson
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 8:01 PM
Subject: spirit and energy

(I am not sure to whom this should be addressed ?)

I find the statement that " . . . .Chinese spirit and Einsteinian energy
are not the same thing. . . ." very perplexing.

Let me rush to add that I am as sceptical of hocus pocus as anyone, but
is is extremely difficult to believe that anyone has conclusive proof
that "spirit" is or is not equivalent to "energy". While I believe that
I cannot measure spirit with a geiger counter, or some electromagnetic
meter, this does not prove that it isn't energy.

I cannot measure micron size particles with a desktop straight-edge, but
that does not mean they have no size.

In a similar sense then, just because no way has been found to measure
"spirit" with our current (and crude by future standards no doubt)
energy measuring equipment, we cannot conclusively state that spirit is
not the same as energy. At least, until conclusive scientific evidence
is shown, it will be difficult to believe such a statement.

A related matter is the following: if a Kirlian photograph of a freshly
picked leaf is taken shortly after a large piece of the leaf is cut off
and discarded, the Kirlian photograph shows some sort of field that
follows the shape of the entire leaf, including the discarded piece;
supposedly, Kirlian photographs of amputees show a similar sort of
"field" which follows the shape of the amputated limb, finger, etc.. (I
have seen many pictures of this in several different books, though I
have not done it myself).

Paul Anderson

From: "patrick jennings" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: spirit and energy

Hi Paul,

The key to the statement is the phrase "Einsteinian energy" and the
context in which it appears.  Electromagnetic radiation (the E stuff in
E=mc^2) is fairly well understood and numerous instruments measure the
existence of this energy.  If it's there, scientists can know about it. 
Chi, if it exists, cannot be this kind of energy because science has not
been able to detect it using instruments that have proven adequate to
detect electromagnetism in all other cases.  

That should be proof enough that "spirit" is not equivalent to
electromagnetism.  Electromagnetism, and the physical forces working on
sub-atomic levels, pretty much covers the types of energy science knows
about--because it has discovered ways to measure it, or deduce its
existence.  It's safe to say that Chi, if it exists, is not one of the
types of energy, else science could measure it.

That, in now way, is saying that Chi is not energy of some sort.  It's
only saying that it cannot be of the classes of energy science has
already learned to identify.  If it exists, it's something else.

Thanks for the feedback,

Cheers,

Patrick.

From: Paul Anderson
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: spirit and energy

Patrick,

The other possibility is that the levels of energy of the "spirit" are such
that our present equipment cannot detect them; I believe that it is naive to
assume that scientists "know" all the forms of electromagnetic energy. About
100 years ago, scientists might have told a person

"don't worry, Radium is not dangerous. We know about electric energy, and
thermal energy. Radium is neither hot nor electrical, so it is quite safe to
play with it; the levels of visible light emitted are insufficient to damage
a person" Of course, the radioactivity levels the Curies were exposed to
were sufficient to give them leukaemia, which is what I believe killed them
both.

The bottom line is (and this may be too nitpicky for you, but I am
scientfically educated and believe that all statements regarding scientific
phenomena should be stated as plainly and factually as possible ) that one
should say :

"spirit energy does not emit either any of the types or levels of
electromagnetic energy that scientists of today are able to measure, or
understand"

In addition, scientists believe that there is only one "kind" of energy -
i.e. energy itself; there are various *manifestations* of energy (heat,
light, movement, etc.), some of which are visible; energy itself is an
abstract property, and is not visible or physical in any sense.

In any case, I would be interested to know about any serious scientific
research done to determine exactly what it is that Kirlian photography
measures (it may be electromagnetic, since the basis of Kirlian photography
is the "interference" of strong imposed electromagnetic fields with whatever
"field" living things give off.).

Anyway, as a matter of interest, in what area does  synaptic :: grey matter
media ltd publish ?

Paul

From: "patrick jennings" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 1998 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: spirit and energy

Paul Anderson wrote:
> The other possibility is that the levels of energy of the "spirit" are such
> that our present equipment cannot detect them; I believe that it is naive to
> assume that scientists "know" all the forms of electromagnetic energy. About
> 100 years ago, scientists might have told a person

Possible, but electromagnetism is spectrally continuous.  The higher
wavelenghts of electromagnetism are increasingly destructive to
biological chemistry, and the longer wavelengths posess infinitesimally
small capacity for carrying energy or information--and it's quite
possible to detect wavelengths approaching 0 degrees.  The measurable
spectrum is extraordinarily wide and if "spirit" energy is, in fact,
electromagnetic, it seems the only wavelengths available to it would be
so short as to be potentially lethal...which seems to me more than
paradoxical.

It is perhaps equally possible that the levels of energy of the "spirit"
are such that our present equipment cannot detect them; it may be naive
to assume that scientists have discovered the entire spectrum of sonic
energy.

The question is, what is plausible given our current level of
understanding.

> The bottom line is (and this may be too nitpicky for you, but I am
> scientfically educated and believe that all statements regarding scientific
> phenomena should be stated as plainly and factually as possible ) that one
> should say :
> 
> "spirit energy does not emit either any of the types or levels of
> electromagnetic energy that scientists of today are able to measure, or
> understand"

That is a clear statement of the current scientific consensus.  It's a
restatement of my own position, too:  if spirit energy is
electromagnetic in nature it defies measurement by current instruments.

We can detect radio frequencies which are miles long and nearly
energyless.  We can detect high energy radiation which would cause
irreparable damage to our bodies within seconds of exposure.  So far, we
have not detected wavelengths of any length or energy under conditions
in which spirit energy is apparently manifested.  There seems very
little lattitude for discovery in this area.  Higher energies than we
can detect, given it's even possible to generate them 'naturally'
outside a laboratory, would likely kill us.  Lower energies would likely
be swamped by the noise of all other energies, unless we can discover
some sensory organ tuned to such low energy/frequency radiation.

I wouldn't rule this out.  Was it just this decade or last that medical
science discovered a neglected organ in the nasal passageway?  This one
detects pheromones and is wired to the brain in such a way that we are
unconscious of its affects on our psyche.

Still, it seems more plausible that spirit energy is likely to represent
a variation of the manifestations of energy that will necessarily
differentiate it significantly from electromagnetism.  It's not
reasonable to ignore the possibility that Chi is electromagnetic in
character, but it's reasonable to doubt it and look to potentially more
promising models.

> 
> In addition, scientists believe that there is only one "kind" of energy -
> i.e. energy itself; there are various *manifestations* of energy (heat,
> light, movement, etc.), some of which are visible; energy itself is an
> abstract property, and is not visible or physical in any sense.

Actually, it's more profound than that.  Einstein showed that matter and
energy are two manifestations of the same thing.  We're just stuck with
the baggage of outdated language and its accompanying conceptual
framework.

Matter is an equally abstract property, and is not visible.  We do not
"see" an object but rather detect the energy in the form of photons
which it's atoms reflect, refract or produce.  Even after detection,
there is much post-processing of the detected signals in order to fix
the information in a sensible mental image.  

Matter is physical only in the sense that energies are detected through
sensory receptors for pressure, heat, vision, scent, taste.  Some of
these senses are decidedly chemical in nature, but what is a chemical
compound--or molecule--but a particular organisation of energies?  And
what is pressure but the resistance of forces, of energy?

And we have not even opened the can of worms--only read the label.  We
don't know yet what constitutes a 'particle' of matter.  We keep finding
'smaller' particles.

> In any case, I would be interested to know about any serious scientific
> research done to determine exactly what it is that Kirlian photography
> measures (it may be electromagnetic, since the basis of Kirlian photography
> is the "interference" of strong imposed electromagnetic fields with whatever
> "field" living things give off.).

You run a small current through a piece of photographic paper and place
a biological object on its surface.  The electricity could be inducing
the apparent field.  The electricity could be signalling some internal
mechanism to produce a "field".  

As long as we're being particular about language, 'basis' is the wrong
word here.  What you have given is but one *unproven* model attempting
to explain the results obtained through the process.  Still, Kirlian
photography definitely seems to give the scientific community the
willies.  As do psycho-kinetics, poltergeists and the like.  Hell, I
myself have confounded my own basis for scientific rationalisations by
experiencing prescient dreams every now and again.  The scientific
understanding of time provides no clue as to why I've been able to
quote, verbatim and two words in advance of their speaking them, long
sections of my high-school teacher's lectures.  "I dreamed it a couple
weeks ago," just doesn't fit any acceptable model.

What's more interesting to me is "Since Kirlian images defy current
explanation, and imply conditions in the physical world which defy long
established and accepted scientific understandings, why does there
appear to be so little serious inquiry?"  This question applies equally
to psychokinetics, apparent manifestations of Chi in martial arts
masters and monks, why teenage boys can dream the future, and any other
experience or observation which defies common scientific knowledge.

> 
> Anyway, as a matter of interest, in what area does  synaptic  :: grey matter
> media ltd publish ?

&lt;grin&gt  Big websites including text and images generated during my
travels.  (Pretty much what you see on &lt;www.synaptic.bc.ca&gt; Someday, I'd like to earn a living selling my content to various
commercial media outlets.

Cheers,

Patrick.

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which I wrote in Konchanaburi, Thailand, site of the Death Railway, immortalised with precise innacuracy in the film The Bridge on the River Kwai, and where I had opportunity to ruminate on evil and whatever else it is that motivates man to level holocaust upon fellow man. (See How far would you go?)]]>&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;<![CDATA[
ALPHA 60 wrote:
> 
> What is not frequentlly noted is that many "millions" of non-Jews also died; any
> undesirable ethnic or disabled/disenfranchised were subject to WWII and the
> "final solution" in death camps.
> 
> So to were the approx 8 million native North American Indians. Pres Jackson 
> and his men rode slaughter on thousands of helpless Indian women & children. 
> Their use of Indian flesh to serve as grease in cooking is well documented; he 
> and many other Presidents (and Pres hopefuls, ie Custer) did reap "genocide' 
> well before Hitler. But they are not "evil" or held accountable. I live in a State (Calif)
> where the "death camps" ie Calif Missions are major tourist attractions, despite
> the mass graves of Indian slaves, who's uprisings have not been documented
> in our schools and their wholesale slaughter is given tribute of being X'd out of
> history. Father Serra (the "Hitler" who 'signed the order' here in Calif) is often 
> found on County and STate Seals, statues of him grace the Mission towns of
> Ventura and Santa Barbara. An American Hero ?? !!
> 
> Good luck with your writing that makes an attempt to put into focus what is
> seen by some of us as certainly a convenient history that no one dare call
> into question (ie witness the heat that Brando felt for his statements)
> p.s. - I've been to Thailand several times and enjoyed your descriptions of the
> beauty some of that country still retains.
> Alpha_60@....
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There's an old joke I first heard in junior high:

Q:  What's the difference between Communisim and Capitalism?

A:  In Communism, man oppresses man.  In Capitalism, it's the other way
around.


I think it's safe to say, man oppresses man regardless of the system. 
Under the right conditions, with very little encouragement, it could be
any of us on either side of that oppression.

Mostly, I needed to respond to your message to thank you for affirming
what it is I'm trying to do.  I know a little of that heat Brando felt
from some of the responses to my postings.  Not so much of the world's
attention is focussed my way.  I wonder what it must be like to have the
mainstream media reviling you on primetime.  It's also good to hear you
feel my writings on Thailand do it some justice.


Thanks,


Patrick.


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I let it slide at the time, but the claim  "Their use of Indian flesh to serve as grease in cooking is well documented" shouldn't be left in a post without at least providing some sort of documentary evidence. Unfortunately, I can't find any on the 'net.
Gads! What am I saying!  Fortunately, I can't find any documentary evidence on the 'net.

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I should create a subcategory for feedback to  Hanoi Jane never stayed at The Hanoi Hilton alone.

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Alex Hughes wrote:
> 
> hey fucko, how long until Canada makes it official and becomes the
> fifty-first state?

Well, in our quiet, unassuming, conciliatory Canadian way, we're holding
out to make the USA our 11th province.  That would vault the USA into
the UN's top-10 list of best countries to live in, though it would
probably drop Canada out of the #1 spot it's enjoyed the past several
years.

Keep your fingers crossed,

Patrick.


Alex, if you're still listening, you'll be happy to learn that the US has now made the top 10 -- and Canada has slipped to third -- all without the merger of our two fine countries, as reported by the BBC
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